Posted by on 15 Jul 2013
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The tragic death of a baby boy boarded on a boat seeking asylum in Australlia,
was considered as a "genuine human tragedy" and is now pushing the
Federal government to review and adjust its border protection policies. Do you
think, there is a need for the government to loosen up, for humanity's sake
or will this only put a risk to Australia's safety?
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[0] [0]butterfly
I agree we have to help Asylum seekers but not the boat ones. They a should wait their turn in the camps. Those poor people in the camps now have to wait longer because of boat people taking their place. the boat people have money and people camp people do not. Very unfair.
Posted by butterfly on 01 Sep 2013
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mouse66
Tragic yes, but irresponsible of the parents. If they are in Australian waters when this sort of thing happens, looking for asylum , then they should be charged with child endangerment and manslaughter under Australian Law. We need to stop the boats
Posted by mouse66 on 26 Jul 2013
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[1] [0]TurboCat
I am shocked at the amount of left wing hippys that say "yeah let the boat people in" there is a right & a wrong way to apply for refugee status & paying some shonky stranger a huge wad of cash & jumping on a shonky boat & sneaking into a country is not the right way to go about it. Don't for a second believe that these people had no other choice, the fact is they do...they can either do it the right way like true refugees do or the wrong way...how am I as a mother supposed to teach my children the downfalls of breaking the law & doing the wrong thing when we have a society full of do-gooders who say let them come. I can assure you I would rather my tax payer dollars spent on my children's education, health & general quality of life rather than some law breaker who thinks it would be a good idea to enter a country illegally...having this sort of opinion does not mean that I am a heartless person, I am all for Australia allowing refugees to settle in our country, however I am never going to support illegal immigrants being allowed to stay here. I would rather see the poor people who have waited extensive amounts of time get a preference over the que jumpers...and then poses another question, how many of them are actually found to be true refugees?...It is a tragedy that lives were lost, but the fact of the matter is, if they were doing the right thing it would never have happened, at some point they have to take responsibility for their actions...
Posted by TurboCat on 25 Jul 2013
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[1] [0]Sydney
I would have to take a compassionate view on these people. could you imagine Australia being so bad that you would put your family on a leaking boat with hundreds of other people in a desperate bid for a better life only to be "JAILED".That does not mean I agree with them destroying the centers either,but these places are terrible and I wouldn't want my kids there.
Posted by Sydney on 24 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
So what do you suggest? We just let them all come here for a free life? No questions asked? And you say you wouldn't want your kids in there...so would you prefer they stayed in the country they were fleeing?...If Australian's ever need refuge in another (God Forbid) but it could become a possibilty the way the country is heading in the future...do you think there would be one country that would happily welcome us, no questions asked and hand us a free cheque every fortnight, pay our medical expenses, give us new homes, cars, clothing, phones, education?? Yeah right! Do-gooders can never see the wood or the tress.
Posted by Jasmine on 24 Jul 2013
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rose
Thay no the risk when coming here besides our schools and roads and work have been cut and a wooping 11million each boat that comes here is costing us the detencion center also has received over 50billion for a new project. When thay come here they face the risks now why didnt the parents die n not bby vise verse my point is thay have gave us nothing i pay my taxes for them. While our people miss out look at kambodia and the slums thay dnt even have food or a place to sleep at least these people receive a payment n if u look on the social network thay are hppy n not talking about war its only when they hear AUSTRALIA they lie for money ive know many over the yrs and no they lie alot i know people who have planed there way into here and its time i /we stand up for our people !and show the goverment wat is really happening. And thay come work here send money overseas and make there familys rich thay only want money vise verser. There not here for freedom thay even waana bring there strict rules into the country a boy was wiped by a muslim for drinking alcohole here in australia.
Posted by rose on 24 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
Well said, and so true.
Posted by Jasmine on 25 Jul 2013
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rose
Who would like to stand up with me and show there scams and leeks gather evidence and put it into a video or letter so the goverment have a better understanding and pos it up to the world take a cause for our people
Posted by rose on 24 Jul 2013
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Green Spaceman
Complete rubbish is all I can reply to your comments.
Posted by Green Spaceman on 24 Jul 2013
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[0] [1]Green Spaceman
So nice to find someone here that really has a heart. I know for a fact that everyone on this forum would do the very same thing had they experienced life in one of the camps that these people come from. They would sell every last thing they have to get on a boat and risk coming out here to safety. Here are some issues that I would like to make people aware of here.... 1. These people are NOT illegal immigrants. According to the refugee convention that Australians are signatories to...these people have every legal right to get on a boat, land on our shores and request asylum. It is not illegal to do so. 2. Assylum seekers are very low risk in terms of the threat they pose to our society. Terrorists do not come here on boats...their networks are far too sophisticated than that. History has proven this over and over. In fact it is so well proven now that even Malcolm Fraser has changed his position on mandatory detention and is now supporting the release of asylum seekers into our community while they await processing. 3. Boat people are not cue jumpers. If you care to visit one of these camps you would soon realise that there is no cue or even any sort of order in terms of visa applications. Anyone here with the resources and means to get to Indonesia or Malaysia and then risk coming here by boat would do exactly the same thing. They are driven by an insatiable human drive to survive and it is our legal duty to accept them.
Posted by Green Spaceman on 24 Jul 2013
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[6] [0]pinkf
After what I saw on the news what they did to the village that they were living in well I am sorry dont feel sorry for them at all they shouldnt complain $60 million dollar damge got to be kidding me send them back sorry if most of you dont agree with me but after that send them back
Posted by pinkf on 23 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
I agree with you pinkf - 10000%!
Posted by Jasmine on 23 Jul 2013
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[5] [1]elaine133
I think Kevin Rudd's PNG solution is very good.
Posted by elaine133 on 22 Jul 2013
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barnicle bill
I have to agree with you I think the should all be sent back to their country of origin
Posted by barnicle bill on 24 Jul 2013
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fieryphil
I totally agree with you, I also think boat people should be sent back to their country, no one knows if they are terrorist or have committed a serious crime in their country. I am really fed up hearing about boat people, we don't want or need them here.
Posted by fieryphil on 24 Jul 2013
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[1] [0]mishiee56
I am not really a Rudd fan, but I have to say, Well Done Mr Rudd. I am impressed. We as Australian's cannot just keep Australia's gates open, so to speak. Sure we are lucky enough to have a large Country, but there is only just so much that we as one race of people can do. It is not our fault that there has been some death's, this is very sad. But when people embark on these boat trips they must know the big dangers that this entails. What should be addressed is the people behind the boat trips. The money hungry pig's offering safe travel to Australia. All they are doing is getting rich by using peoples fears as a weapon against them, so they give up everything that they have to these people just to get a small glimpse of hope, of a new start. This of cause does not happen, and death's do happen. Once you start the voyage there is NO turning back that's for sure. It's very sad indeed. But hat's off to Kevin Rudd. It sounds harsh, but we have to be at this stage of the game so, I say get rid of the Smuggler's .When it's all said and done, they are to blame. Cheers Mishiee.
Posted by mishiee56 on 21 Jul 2013
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theologin1
I am not really a Rudd fan, and even more so after his "solution" to the refugee situation. Australia in 1951 signed the UN charter to accept refugees, along with a lot of other countries. Our great nation being so far away from a lot of conflicts, makes it difficult to reach us. Kevin Rudd whilst sending the refugees to our northern neighbor, has deceived the general public, in making us think that this will stop the boats and thus solve our problem. 457 Visas can easily be obtained by the people of our northern neighbor and citizenship is also very easily obtained. Now back to the people who come by boats. Who are they, Where did they come from? They purposely destroy their documents to cover this detail. Iran has a deal going with Indonesia. Iranians can legally become temporary citizens of Indonesia with no questions asked. Iran supports terrorist organizations, eg, Hamas and many other extreme forms of Islam. My point is that genuine refugees are fleeing persecution in many countries many from Muslims themselves, Syria,turkey,Egypt etc. Turn back the boats but increase the number of refugees from legitimate UN camps. NEARLY everyone who comes by boat are by default high risk arrivals.
Posted by theologin1 on 22 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
We stuck to that agreement and we did accept many refugees...but now we are lacking housing, jobs, and our own medical system is struggling...we must look after our own first and foremost...or Australia will not be able to help anybody. Australia is still looking after these refugees (expense wise) but just in PNG where it will also help PNG to grow. I blame people smugglers and illegal immigrants for the system failing.
Posted by Jasmine on 22 Jul 2013
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Green Spaceman
The genuine human tragedy is that our own governments, along with the Americans and the British, created the refugee problem in the first place. We go into Afghanistan and Iraq for the pure purpose of "smoking out" one person by the name of Bin Laden and also because, purely on a hunch, we believe we are going to find countless numbers of weapons of mass destruction. We do nothing but cause mass destruction, kill off a few hundred thousand people, leave the rest displaced from their homes and then ask them to wait a few decades in a camp without sanitation, clean water or food ..let alone schools for their children...then we tell them that they should be patient enough to wait a few decades while we process their papers. But hey ...guess what?...they have no papers because they left them behind in the burning homes that we dropped bombs on. We should be flying them out first class I say. They should be distributed among the countries that participated in the war and allowed to live and work freely while we 'process them'. It is so ironic that the murderer of Jill Meagher is repeatedly allowed back into our society after repeatedly offending and yet we assume every asylum seeker to be a murderer or rapist. Let us not forget that we are the ones who killed off their brothers and sisters.
Posted by Green Spaceman on 20 Jul 2013
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nelando
I also agree that Kevin Rudds' idea is brilliant. We can't go go and turn up illegally in other countries and expect to stay and have everything paid for. Jobs are hard to come by at the moment and our Australian citizens should have first choice on jobs no illegal immigrants. Sending them to New Guinea will hut the people smugglers, who are the only people profiting from this
Posted by nelando on 21 Jul 2013
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Mrs John
I agree - Australians are in a bad economic situation, with mamy homeles and sleeping rough. Charity starts at home andshould. Surely, when the Fedral Government cannot support those ofs who are in need, why shold we have to pay the illegal, ad mean illegal, no the genuine refugees, more than our penoiners get who have throuh their livesupported Australia with eveything they could Fairness start at home, too, and I believe Aussies andresidents here legally should come first.,. Koru
Posted by Mrs John on 22 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
Kevin Rudd's new idea is brilliant! I think it will be great for PNG too. It will only hurt the people smugglers...nobody else!
Posted by Jasmine on 20 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
And I think it is "disgusting" the way those refugees caused '$60 Million' worth of damage!! Is that how you repay a country that is trying to save your life???
Posted by Jasmine on 22 Jul 2013
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xul
i agree
Posted by xul on 24 Jul 2013
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xul
I agree I think if thats thanks they give they should have been put on a plane and sent back where they come from its obviously not as bad as they say
Posted by xul on 24 Jul 2013
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mishiee56
I agree Jasmine, but this is how many of these refugees react to a lot of things. In a lot of cases that's all they know, and have known all their lives. Violence and smashing things up or blow things up, it's very sad really, but so true. Cheers Mishiee56
Posted by mishiee56 on 23 Jul 2013
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Jasmine
LOL - someone rated me down...for this comment, so does that mean the person that rated this comment down thinks doing $60 million worth of damage was a good thing? I think our failing health system for one..could have done with that $60 million!!
Posted by Jasmine on 23 Jul 2013
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[1] [5]Nibimbi
I agree with letting refugees in. There isn't enough of us helping our fellow humans in the world. Sometimes it looks like you get a government position and become a clod hearted robot. Not always, but mostly.
Posted by Nibimbi on 20 Jul 2013
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ubetido
Australia is a big country.why not let genuine refugees live in the community and get jobs were the Australian doesnt want to work, plenty of inland towns are crying out for workers but cant get them, at least there productive while there wait for they papers to be processed better than living in places I wouldnt put my dog in. Also whats wrong with the Australian Government setting up a processing unit within Indonesia.As they is no law to stop people smugglers in Indonesia it wont matter what Government is in power, its about time some-one in Government stood up to the Indonesian Government and says you stop the smugglers or we stop aid for your country, I bet you would have some action then.Anyway there my thoughts, maybe some you say there queue jumpers should look at were these people are comming from as there is no Australian Consulate in there countries.
Posted by ubetido on 19 Jul 2013
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sassy sybarite
Australia, as a signatory to the UN Convention for refugees, has an obligation to take in those who are genuine refugees. If people are desperate enough to risk their lives and the lives of their loved ones to come to Australia they have a right to have their claim seriously considered. I think your idea ubetido, about employing asylum seekers in the more isolated parts of Australia where we citizens are reluctant to go, is a good one. If we could find employment for these people, in Australia, while their claims for asylum are being considered, it would be ideal. That way, they would be contributing to the country they are seeking refuge in, instead of waiting idly for an outcome. Their idleness is probably one of the reasons for such problem behaviour as riots and assaults.
Posted by sassy sybarite on 06 Aug 2013
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